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By Misty

July 24, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

Hi,

I experience racism on a daily basis at my work place. I am the only minority at me location, as well as my district. I am not afforded the same opportunities as my co-workers. I do not receive the same wages as the others in my position. I am a young single mother, therefore I have to work. As much as I would like to raise my voice and complain…I am afraid this will jeopordize my job.

Anybody that can offer any advise…please do so!!

By Wookin' Pnub

July 24, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

My company is big on diversity, which I love. The only thing I hate is that the “minorities”, cannot be reprimanded or fired when caught on video, stealing, or breaking the corporate law. If I were to commit the same offenses, I’d be let go on the spot. If a minority employee gets fired by a white manager, regardless of the paper trail, there have been more than one instance where HR MADE them rehire them, in order to let those persons resign. On the other side, no questions have been asked regarding firings by minority managers. In my company, diversity is important, and I’ve not witnessed any discrimination. Minority or not, we all have competitive wages and equal consideration and treatment. EXCEPT when it comes to wrongdoing by an employee. Minorities definitely get treated better.

By Mark

July 24, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

Misty, what do your co-workers have to offer as opposed to you? Maybe they’re bettered credentialed in some area. Give us some information.

By mike

July 24, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

I deal with racism everyday in my work place. As a white man I am continually having to deal with black people only getting hired to meet a quota. Spanish people not having to speak english and not being able to accomplish even the simplist of tasks. Racism is running rampant in the work place. It not the minorities that are taking the brunt of it though its the white people. Affirmitive action IS RACISM. See Cynthia Mckenny to prove my point. If she was white. She would have been fired.

By lynn

July 24, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

Misty, I too am a minority but not because of race. In my case it’s gender and I go through everything you mentioned, but guess what. I have the opportunity to change jobs and so do you. This is America right? If you can’t take the heat move elsewhere. I think this race subject needs to die, but for some reason AJC love to keep it going. You are afforded every opportunity (actually more) than we are in this day and age.

By Prootwadl

July 24, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

It’s interesting — I work with a number of people who are either in different facilities here in Atlanta or in completely different timezones, and often all I know about a person is a voice or a series of e-mails, so I have no idea at all what race the person on the other end of the line or message sequence is. And I really don’t care, to be honest. I just want to get the issues I’m working on resolved, and anyone who is easy to work with is okay in my book. :-)

The company I work for has offices in over 100 countries, and it’s quite international by nature (we have over 400 airlines as customers), so I’m surrounded by folks who come from all over the world and who speak just about every language you can think of. As a white boy who moved down here from an affluent Minneapolis suburb, I find the high level of diversity to be fascinating — we didn’t have a lot of folks around when I was growing up that weren’t from either a German or a Scandinavian background.

By Fed Up

July 24, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

Our office is about half white, half black (I’m white). A couple of us have noticed that our black coworkers are allowed to talk on their cellphones all day, play loud music, come and go as they please, take long lunches, and basically get no work done. But the rest of us are not allowed to get away with anything. It’s all because management is afraid of being branded racist.

By Chad

July 24, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

Misty,

First off, I’m not questioning your accusations so don’t take this the wrong way. I’ve been at enough jobs where the company knows you’re in a tough situation and as a result won’t give you a raise unless they have to. They know you’re a single mom, and without saying it they know they don’t have to give you a raise because you’re not a threat to leave. Even if your skills are indispensible…..sorry. I’ve known foriegners on work visas who have a similar problem, it’s held over their heads. Why should they give you a raise? They know you aren’t going anywhere…….unfortunately that’s the way it works. If you want a raise you’ll have to look around for another job, and be prepared to walk to that other job if they don’t give you what you want.

As far as the racism goes, I always thought I’d see a lot more than I have. Most companies are pretty steady about it (zero tolerance either way), I’ve actually seen way more problems with nepotism and small company politics than I have with racism, a LOT more. I’ve seen some religious favoritism as well (religion shall remain nameless), but the bottom line is you need to look out for number 1, and always keep in mind that whether it’s racism, nepotism, religious um…ism? it’s always going to exist and that’s that.

By Biracial

July 24, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

Wookin I don’t know where you work at but that sounds completely ludicrous! Wrong is wrong no matter who commits the act. It is terrible that anyone has to experience what you are going through. Trust me most times it is the minority person having our experiences not the other way around. I have experienced favoritism towards white co-workers at my current company, but I cannot say any out and out racism or prejudice. I have worked for companies with racist employees who would make life unbearable for anyone that wasn’t white. Misty, it sounds like you have great skills. Just like you were blessed with that job, you can be blessed with another that may be better for you.

The proof of institutionalized racism exists mostly in the hierarchy of most organizations rather than obvious racism. For example, the African American population in Metro Atlanta is somewhere around 30% however, the higher you go up in just about any company, the higher end jobs hardly ever reflect that statistic. Most don’t even come close. I have worked for many companies and know a great deal of people who are minority and very well educated and in spite of the “equal” opportunity, it just does not trickle down to the effect that it should.

There are many minorities in Atlanta that have good jobs and careers but how many of them have great jobs and careers compared to their white counterparts with the same education and experience. Especially when it comes to minority males.

By Ultra Elf

July 24, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

I am sick and tired of the minorities running the show. All these racial quotas and putting up with their BS attitude is counter productive. And they all do it in the name of “I am oppressed.” Racism is the NAACP. Th minorities do get special treatment-point is-they are no more special than any one else.

By Cletus Snow

July 24, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

Minorities without doubt have the advantage when it comes to getting hired or promoted. Wookin’pnub is right a minority almost has to shoot someone to be fired, no company wants the hassle that comes with not hiring or not promoting or fireing a minority,Every one knows that. Not everyone wants to admit it, but its a fact

By jman

July 24, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

I am a black male, and as often as is heard, I have been the target of racial divide. On a very scary occasion at work, I looked up to find a pistol in my face. The robber was black I must state. After thanking God for sparing me and getting through the emotional hurt, I promised I would never be like that “black guy”. Getting over the incident, I faithfully returned to work the next day with an upbeat attitude. I was then phoned by my district supervisor, whose first words, before “hello” or “Are you o.k.”, were “Stop having your friends rob our store.”, followed by “I’m only kidding.”. This laughing matter was no laughing matter to myself. I

By Biracial

July 24, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

Mike, first most black people are not hired to “meet a quota”. Most jobs require a certain level of experience and trust me, minorities will NOT get hired if they cannot do the basic skills to perform the tasks unless it is menial or extremely physical work that most people do not want to do anyway. Next, you cannot get fired from public office, just not re-elected, or you resign. Sorry you are so anti-Cynthia McKinney but that is why you have the power to vote.

Lynn, I feel sorry for your situation. But by experiencing sexism, why would you think racism still does not exist? Or are you just tired of it because it does not effect you? No one knows a persons situation as to why he or she do not change jobs. They may have been coming off the end of unemployment without another job that can keep up with their standard of living.

By earl

July 24, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

black folks don’t have to anything where i work except show up and they get paid.

i got to work my butt off to not get fired.

tell me how that’s fair.

By Misty

July 24, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

Mark,

The two other people in my dept. do not have more or better credentials than I do. Matter of fact I have a degree and they don’t. I also have more experience. Also, I was up for a promotion that of course I did not get. When the qualifications were posted….a degree was MANDATORY at the time. However, the individual that received the promotion did not have a degree….as a matter of fact this person had no experience in this field.

Lynn, You are absolutely right…I do have that option and I am aware of this. Unfortunately jobs are not for sale in the grocery store. Therefore it is not that easy to change. I am curently seeking better opportunities.

Chad, Thanks for your comments..however I disagree. I am a threat to leave….whether it concerns them or not. To answer your question….I should get a raise because I DESERVE it. I would feel the same way if the other individuals were the same race as myself. Why is it that companies don’t pay you based on your qualifications…not your race, gender, or who you know in the company.

By Derrick

July 24, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this

Wookin’ Pnub,

Yes, I’m sure that if a black person at your job shot his boss in the face he would just be reprimanded. Please with the silly made up anecdotes. White people are allowed to resign everyday instead of being fired. That’s corporate policy at a lot of firms. Cry me a river over the reverse racism spiel.

By Lon

July 24, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

My dear Fedup, Please try not to perpetuate the stereotypes. Judge by the individuals…not the shade of their skin. I know plenty of people of different races who are either lazy or overly organized workaholics. A person’s bias towards a particular group will let them see what they want to see…whether it’s deserved or not.

By StandingTall

July 24, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

Everybody should ease up on Misty a little. She said that she was NOT COMPLAINING but rather SEEKING ADVICE. Racism is a reality that a lot of minorities deal with.

Chad has the best suggestion so far. In my experience as a black young professional, although institutional racism still exists in many places, most companies are fair and reward hard work and expertise no matter the color or background. Sometimes racism is hard to detect because it can become intertwined with nepotism and corporate politics. However, if you feel slighted at your office, look and interview elsewhere. Don’t be shy about telling a potential employer the salary or pay-grade that you think is ideal for a person of your skills.

I know that this is easier said than done, but if you feel that your company is racist, leave once you get another job and let them stew in their ignorance. You can’t let bigotry dictate your life. Bigots and narrow-minded folks, no matter their background, have a tendency to shoot themselves in the foot in the end.

By Solomon

July 24, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

As a black male it is absolutely sickening to work in a environment that racism persists. I CAN’T STAND being around white people that must treat others badly to boost their own self esteem. I have been in work situations where racism was there, I held my peace and rose to the top. Now, I choose not to play the corporate game, no employer can pay me like I can :)

By Jo

July 24, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Those of you who advise Misty to leave her job & find another where she’ll be treated fairly are wrong, sorry. It’s like saying “If you think robbery, rape & murder are wrong & you live in an area where these crimes take place, then move”. Does that solve the problem? NO! In fact, if Misty’s superiors see they’ve managed to chase her out, they’ll realize they’ve “won” & they can get away with their unscrupulous actions. No, Misty, my advice is, get documented proof of inequiteies towards you & bring them to the LABOR BOARD!

By CEO

July 24, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

“Has your ethnicity been a roadblock between your and that rewarding promotion? Has race ever impacted your relationships with coworkers?”

Yes and Yes to your questions. However, I have not and will not allow those situations to effect my career path or success. As a minority (female and black), I am getting tired of some blacks who enter corporate America with a chip on their shoulders. I entered corporate America at the tender age of 22, after completing undergraduate school. I entered knowing full well that I would encounter sexism and racism. I also knew that I would be stereotyped as an “affirmative action” employee even though I was more than qualified for any position that I accepted. That is “how it is” in these days and times.

By the time I reached the age of 26, both my husband and I decided to leave our corporate positions and start our own business. We did not leave because of the racist culture. We left because we knew that we could only go so far as an “employee” of an establishment that did not give a damn about our long-term goals or desires. It has been a tough mountain to climb, BUT it’s much more rewarding on this side of the mountain. Ask anyone, black or white, why they left corporate America to start the own business and I guarantee you “racism” has little to do with it.

My point is this…discrimination is still alive and well in corporate America, but it doesn’t have to stunt your profesional progress. “The Man” owes me nothing and I’m not trying to put on a song and dance for “The Man” to convince “it” that I am equally savvy, intelligent and capable. I know who I am and don’t care about crusading for equality in the workplace or anywhere else in this society. If there is glass ceiling over your head, you have two choices: (1) Take a risk and become your own boss, or (2) Take your fist, raise it in the air and punch a *&^%# whole in it! Either way, stop being the “victim” and define your own path for success.

By cc

July 24, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

What is wrong with you people. I work at a job where I’m the only black female and get along fine with everyone. I know there is racism, but I don’t make it the focus of my life. I am so sick of certain blacks using racism because they didn’t get that job, or were passed over a promotion because of their race. Maybe if some of you worked harder and not blame the quote: “white man” for all your problems you get some where. Me I’ve always gotten the jobs I wanted and never complained when I didn’t. Just moved on to the next and always did my best.

By Personal Experience

July 24, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

I was a part timer for a major bank for almost a year. There were 4 additional temps brought on board to do data entry along with me. There were several full time job openings in which I applied. I was told I did not qualify because my data experience was not actual bank experience. Excuse me, but I did bank data entry for a whole year. What in the world did she mean. I learned that a couple of the temps were going to get the full time positions. They only had a month’s bank data entry experience.

I filed a complaint with upper management and was immediately told I could go full time but on a different shift. I put my foot down and said I will wait for a daytime opening. I was full time within a week.

She assigned me only a few accounts, the ones nobody wanted. I was very fast and accurate as a data entry operator. At review time she told me she could not give me a raise because I did not know all the accounts. The other DE operators got raises.

I took the initiative to learn the other accounts. She walked by my desk and took the work away from me and said she was not ready for me to learn the accounts yet. It’s just keying in numbers was my thought. At review time again her statement was the same. No raise because I didn’t know all the accounts.

They rotated bosses and this boss noticed I worked just as hard if not harder than the others. At review time I got a huge raise, like almost 8%. I was told that the large raise was to bring my salary up to equal to my co-workers.

I would like to add one thing. I am white and all other parties involved were black. They would have negative conversations in front of me about whites then more often than not the conversation became personal toward me. I was even asked if I belonged to the KKK among other offensive things.

When I tried to advance later I was told I was a key person doing DE and they could not afford to move me up because the work flow would not run as smoothly. I eventually had to leave after 15 years serving at this bank down town Atlanta. What’s so bad is I really liked my job and the department but my self worth was more important.

If any company out there still wants a fast accurate data entry operator and doesn’t mind hiring a white person, I will gladly polish my skills.

By karsh

July 24, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

Race does matter in the workplace, but it really depends on the kind of work it is. Where I am now, I’m the only black male in the 20-person department. Often I get approached with dumb racial questions (as though I’m the Magic Negro or something) about Dave Chappelle’s skits, my hair techniques (I have a short cut — not much technique there) and on current slang. I absolutely hate it and go out of my way to not answer these questions because a) just because I’m the only Black male there doesn’t make me the authority on all that is Black and b) I have a job to do when I’m here and it’s not to be the token.

But back to the original article: what is the ethnicity of the people who are saying “we all get along fine”? Because I have a strong feeling they’re not of the ethnic minority where they work. My manager (a White woman) has a track record of unfair treatment of minorities in our department, and those people either quit or find other jobs. Just recently, she addressed one of the Asian women in our department as “Chun-Li” and suggested that at lunch today she could teach her how to use chopsticks and make eggrolls.

She has yet to be fired or even reprimanded for her behavior by the executive board — all White males.

Racism — especially when it’s laced with ignorance — is alive and well in 2006.

By karsh

July 24, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

Man…reading through these comments is something else. White privilege must be fantastic! Can I by that down at the Target on Caroline Street?

By Adolphus

July 24, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

I work for a municipal government that beats the drum loudly and constantly for such things as “diversity in the workplace, equality and opportunity for all,” etc. However, this is bar none the most racially biased and unfair place to work I have ever experienced. In 1998 I was recommended for promotion to a mid-level management position for which I was highly qualified and experienced. I was passed over in favor of a person from a different ethnic background who was neither qualified nor experienced. That individual has proceeded over the past 8 years to make a complete shambles of the operation and now guess what … I am told I am “needed” to come in and fix the mess! Sorry, but if I wasn’t the choice then what makes me the choice now? No way will I fall into that one!

By Fed Up

July 24, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

Lon:

Duh, I am looking at the individuals. I did not say that all black people are lazy and don’t do any work. I meant that the black people where I do work happen to be lazy and don’t do as much work as the rest of us. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it’s true. I’m not the only one who has noticed it.

By Whitey

July 24, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

Fed Up,

You & I might work in the same office !

Memos from management constantly go out regarding cell phones, radios, noise, etc. but a certain race of people seem to be exempt from office procedures. Management does its best to hide & be non-confrontational, but have no qualms when addressing the white employees.

By Todd

July 24, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

I am a white male and used to work for an all black ad agency where i was the token white guy hired to bring in the white business. I had to deal with reverse racism on a daily basis and consisttanly listen to all the white bashing about how the white man was keeping them down. I finally got fed up with the whining and quit. So yes it does exist in the work place and it goes both ways

By tspec

July 24, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

Regarding Affirmative Action, I think most people don’t understand what group benefited the most from Affirmative Action……Yes…”WHITE FEMALES”

By Job Taker

July 24, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

I don’t understand why “some” whites think affirmative action is taking jobs from other whites. Government statistics do not support this myth. According to the U.S. Commerce Department, there are 1.3 million unemployed Black civilians and 112 million employed White civilians (U.S. Bureau of the Census, 2000). Thus, even if every unemployed Black worker in the United States were to displace a White worker, only 1% of Whites would be affected. Furthermore, affirmative action pertains only to job-qualified applicants, so the actual percentage of affected Whites would be a fraction of 1%. The main sources of job loss among White workers have to do with factory relocations and labor contracting outside the United States, computerization and automation, and corporate downsizing!

By pat

July 24, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

LYNN - the “race subject” will die when racial issues don’t exist anymore! So you are a minority (female) - but you don’t have 2 strikes against you as a black female! I was in a situation where I received only a 2% raise and my co-worker was given a 14% raise. We were doing the same exact job. My co-worker and I were very close so she told me how she was able to get such a large raise - “SHE WAS A WHITE GIRL W/ A BIG A*S”

By Chad

July 24, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

Misty,

I hope I’m wrong for your sake, I’ve met too many people (and I think I’ve been one) who for whatever reason weren’t paid what they deserve or what the open market would dictate.

However, the way companies are with expenses they won’t unless they have to. I bet if you found another job that paid you what you’re worth, your present company would offer you a raise after you resigned. I wouldn’t take it at that point if I were you, but I think to get that raise that’s what you would have to do.

However, if you really like where you work, what I’d do is (and forgive me if you’ve already done this) sit down with your boss and make sure you get down on paper formally what sort of goals you need to reach to say get promoted to the next level, and get him/her to sign it (make sure you get a signed copy), and work your tail off to make those things happen, and at your next review you can hold that in his face and say ‘hey, I did everything you told me I needed to do to get promoted, where is it?

If your boss doesn’t want to do this for you, then he’s a lousy boss and you should be looking around anyway. It’s his/her job to help you grow professionally. IF he does do it and when it’s time to review the plan and he doesn’t come through for you as promised, then you need to leave. Lay it out on paper, set clear expectations with your boss, and that is all you can do to make something happen for yourself where you are.

Hope things work out for you where you are, changing jobs really isn’t fun, but I really think you need to keep this stuff in mind.

By Taz

July 24, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

That’s great advice Chad.

By D

July 24, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

as a white male, I have seen it the other way. being blamed by a female or minority, for something that wasn’t done and being automatically being quilty until proven innocent. but when something is done to me it’s “oh, you know how she is, just go back to work and try to stay away from her”. or the time 3 of us were accused of sexual harassment by a known trouble maker in the company, even when other female co-workers stood for us, it was still a big mark against us. I lost money and promotions for 3 years, the liar, that eventually sent an apology via e-mail when they quit, got a promotion and a raise and a transfer to the division they wanted to go to, even when management had full proof, they didn’t restore any of our reputations or even acknowlege wrongdoing. I’ve been laid off, instead of a less senior, and a less than average worker, becuase she told several people prior to the layoff she would file a discrimination lawsuit, if she got laid off. I was fired. and believe me, as a white male, I can truthfully tell you, the only time doors just automatically open for me, is at the grocery store.

By D

July 24, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

if you want to see the worse cases of discrimination in the workplace, go to a Latino owned company and count how many black, white, asian or other types of people are working there, yet they can get away with it, whereas, I’d be in legal trouble.

By Joe

July 24, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

Everyone where I work notices how much minorities get by with, yet we never say anything. It’s as if they have a court order protecting them and white people do not hve the same. The company I work for received a very poor rating from one of the local black organizations in regards to how few minorities we had when I satrted aboute here about ten years ago. After the report came out we witnessed a huge influx of minorities being hired, certainly not based on qualifications, more to appease quota’s. I can tell a serious difference in the level of work I see put forth now. Ostensibly we’re a more diverse company, this is true. Also what is true, in reality, we have some very under-qualified people with big titles now. It’s not fair and eventually hurts the company.

By neal kelley

July 24, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

It is funny. In looking for examples of racism.. I find that you do not have to look hard to find it. Many of the people on this blog have racisit attitudes by making assumptions. If we are are going to get a head in a global economy we have to stop pointing fingers and correct issues that will better benefit all Americans…

By D

July 24, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

you can fire a white guy faster than you can blink an eye, but to fire a female or minority it takes about 10 non-write up offenses, 3 actual write up offenses and a lot of tact and covering one’s behind.

By D

July 24, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

you have to completely and correctly identify and problem, no matter how much someone may not want to hear it, no matter how much it may not be politically correct, before you can come up with a good plan to correct it. someone honestly talking about negative things they see, doesn’t automatically make them negative. if it does to you, then you may be steroetyping, prejudicing, or guilty of bigotry yourself.

By Sergent

July 24, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

I just expereinced institutionalized racism today, so I know that it is alive and well. Small things that go unseen by those that are not affected by them. I fully understand that racism can go both ways but only when other races hold the power. Tradtionally not the case in corporate America. Affirmitive action was put into to place to ensure that some minorities would get hired by the good ole boy network. I don’t agree with it, I feel that inclusionary practices should be mandatory at all companies and the best person from a diverse pool should get the job, promotion, etc. Minorities (blacks, women, hispanics,native americans etc) do deserve something based on the historic discrimination against these groups. It’s unfortunate that white males of today full of superiority have to share power or worse report to a minority.

By CBP

July 24, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

I think Lon’s reply to this blog was a vivid picture of what goes on in most work places. Like him, I am a black professional also, and for the most part…it’s fair. However, racism today, whether Corporate or otherwise, is more subtle.

I apologize for those white employees who feel as if they’ve experienced reversed racism. However, if the playing field was level during the writing and amendments of the Constitution, the Emancipation Proclamation, or at the time of Civil Rights…it wouldn’t exist —reverse racism. If everyone was created equal, there would be no need for Affirmative Action.

Even though I am black, I usually oppose the ideas of Cynthia McKinney and the NAACP. I don’t think everything is racially motivated, nor do I think it should be reversed. However, until this problem is resolved (one day it will be) Affirmative Action is important. You, those who oppose, are naive to think that whites advantageous to Affirmative Action as well. Like Lon said, Corporations or Companies don’t just hire someone off the street…they must be qualified. Affirmative Action is used only to display a well-rounded view of its applicants. For example, if 1300 people apply for a 10 positions, and 1000 of the applicants are white…Affirmative Action will make sure that those minority applicants will be represented to promote a fair and more balanced workplace. Higher scores and University affiliation aren’t the only requirements for employment. Out of that 1000, the may consider 700 of the whites, just to even the playing field, thats what Affirmative Action is. It is a farse that Companies have a quota. That would be unlawful and a Constitutional violation.

One may ask, “How do whites benefit from Affirmative Action?” Well, it’s not called Affirmative Action, it’s called nepotism, association, and legacy. For instance, students get points for having a illumni family members. Say that school was University of Michigan…other than athletes, which don’t always graduate, who do you think benefit from that…?

By Chad

July 24, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

Last comment then I’ll shut up.

I’m a white guy, but whether you’re white, black, whatever, if you are starting any new job those steps are the first building blocks for your progression.

They’re your roadmap to success, and if you’re going to make a racism argument, or an argument about anything else, having these steps recorded for yourself professionally are going to be the foundation of any argument you have…..deserve a promotion? Not being treated like my peers? Being discriminated against because of my race? The first question will be ‘prove it’, and then you will have your professional plan to reference.

So many claims of racism or sexual harassment fall on deaf ears, not to mention complaints about a lot of other things. If you want someone to listen you need a record of proof, and if you have a plan your boss signed off on, and they didn’t hold up their end of the bargain, that’s a great pedestal to stand on.

I hope I spelled ‘pedestal’ correctly…..not I’m getting off mine.

By Rick

July 24, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

Everyone has a personal situation that they are trying to apply as a broad reasoning to all situations. In reality, the whites will always be paid more than minorities performing the same jobs, the mexicans will eventually take all the serivice and manufacturing jobs. The middle class will be dissolved in 5 years and corporate america will begin to crumble in 10 years because there will be no one to buy or afford the services. Some things in America will never change. No race will ever be equal to the white race in power, so for all the Minorities that are going through a rough time at your job, just have one main goal. Open your own business. Period. It is no way to erase institutional racism and affirmative action is a joke. So try and get a grant or small business loan to open your own business. Thats just the bottom line. Without Unions, corporate America will continue to do what they want to, when they want to and to whoever they want to. If you speak up, you will be black balled. So again. Get your own business. Period!

By Tim

July 24, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

TO: MIKE, D, Joe, Todd, Cletus SNOW, Ultra Elf, and FED UP

Can any of you guys email me an application to your companies, I’m a 34 year old College Educated Black Male, I’ve worked hard my entire life and now it’s time for me to kick back and enjoy!!!!!!!!!

By Rick

July 24, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

CBP, you are delusional. Thinking that everyone is hired or promoted by their merits is not living or working in a realistic society. You must be included in the loop or the network. Somewhere along the lines you had to rub elbows with the right person or made someone look good. So until you have gone through it for yourself, please don’t think it doesn’t exist.

By lynn

July 24, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

Pat, reverse racism exists too!! You don’t have the first, let alone a second strike against you. We all have equal opportunities these days. Some people are just too stupid to exercise them!

By cma

July 24, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

Well, racism exists on every level. I worked in a small division of a very very large worldwide company. I was very excited until a month after I started. Approx. 35 people in the office, 20 Germans, 5 other foreigners, 10 Americans, 3 females, and I was the only African American professional female and the only female with children..Talk about h**l. Two years later with high blood pressure in tow, I left. The situation was bad, the co-workers were all for themselves and I was never right with my two degrees in tow. The foreigners were always the manager even if they didn’t know squat. That was a culture that I could not relate to. The things the German’s and other foreigners got away with… If it had been an American, regardless of race, we would have been fired. Drinking on the job, drugs, affairs with other co-workers (and everyone is aware), affairs with the clients.. the list goes on. Racism exists across cultures as well as race….

By Morrigan

July 24, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

CEO and cc: You go! Take control of your own happiness instead of being a victim!

Sergent: what is the statute of limitations on “historic discrimination”? When is enough, enough?

Todd, Whitey, Wookin, Mike, Fed up, Ultra Elf, Cletus, earl, Joe, D…you’re telling how it was at a big health insurer whose logo is a blue symbol and a blue piece of battle equipment. Except, certain blacks there didn’t even have to show up to get paid. I worked unpaid weekends to cover for them only to be told that my attitude was bad and I was the problem.

Glad Atlanta’s in the rear-view mirror.

By Biracial

July 24, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

@Ultra, what show are the minorities running when just about every large corporation, political arena, entertainment industry executive, lobbyists, etc. are all run by white men? Most racial quotas as you put it (which is known as affirmative actin) actually benefit white women more than any minority.

@Cletus, where on earth do you work where minorities get promoted and hired faster than whites when every statistic on the subject matter ever taken in history shows the exact opposite?

@Job Taker, good point.

@CEO & Rick good for you but please realize that everyone is not as fortunate and that some people have stepped out on businesses and have failed. Not to mention, some people may stay because of medical reasons.

@Chad, kudos for giving Misty great advise.

@D, sorry to hear your story, that is terrible. But your one bad experience does not mean that blacks receive preferential treatment. She was just a witch with an agenda that included running all over you. Interesting point about the Latinos but it may be more related to a language barrier than to discrimination.

@CBP great points made and thanks for the explanation

@Tim, funny but someone is going to get mad at you!

This is to everyone: No one is saying that unqualified people should get a job based on race. And under no circumstances should anyone be given preferential treatment based on the same thing. The issue is that there are a lot of well educated, experienced minorities that do not get treated fairly and are overlooked just because of race, but that is not what is said. It is more like an ideology that minorities won’t fit in. Just look at any office and see who makes the decisions and has the biggest offices and impressive job titles. Take a look at any cafeteria in any business office and see how segregated we are as individuals, it will amaze you. So when it’s time for a promotion who is getting the job? The qualified candidate or your lunch buddies’ child fresh out of high school?

By can't find a job

July 24, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this

It seems like minorities and whites are on the same side in this blog.I have noticed companies which are overwhelmingly run by whites are just not hiring minorities (or very limited) unless you can speak spanish. I am a professional minority and have been looking for a job for the last 8mnths and still have not recieved one interview. Is it because my name is not common or “white” . So I feel I have been discriminated against before my foot is even in the door. Does any one have any positive advice for me.

By RC

July 24, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this

It sure is convenient to make racism the excuse for not getting a job or promotion. There is no way that the chip on your shoulder is affecting your work or attitude, which may affect the raise you get. Are the following racially motivated? United Negro College Fund, Black Movie Awards, BET, BET Awards. Hmmmmmm….I guess the NBA is run by a bunch of black people who are racist and are just ignoring individual talent, just like corporate america is ignoring individual talent.

By RC

July 24, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

Advise for “can’t find a job” -

Change your name and see if that makes a difference. Then you will know!

Minorities seems to think everything should be handed to them. Everything should come easily. The reality is you have to work for it. Yes, some people have had it handed to them, but the majority of Americans, black or white etc, have to work hard for their opportunities Do you not realize there are probably 100’s of applicants, maybe 1000’s for every job posting? And you think because you were not selected out of 1000 people that the person doing the hiring is a racist. The chances are the person doing the hiring looked at 1 out of every 100 resumes, which yours may have found it’s way to the trash just out of pure randomness! Sorry and get a clue.

By Wookin' Pnub

July 24, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

Derrick, I’m not the one that had the made-up anecdote about the gun.

My one example is not an anecdote, it is the truth.

I have plenty of minority friends here at work who would back me up and agree with me. In addition, there were 3 imparticular minority ladies who “were riding the wave”. They said this out loud, repeatedly. They didn’t do any work, would sit in conference rooms all day together gossiping, or plotting to railroad someone in the company they did not like, the victim, they didn’t discriminate, whether it was a minority they couldn’t recruit into their “club”, didn’t matter the race or gender. They knew they could get away with it because they can’t be fired. The HR manager, who ordered the white manager to rehire the minority they fired, so they could have the option to resign, is a minority, and she IS part of the problem in my company.

I just think we should all be held accountable and to the same standards. Red, Yellow, Black or White.

By Sergent

July 24, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

Morrigan,

As I am sure you well know with crimes of violence…There is no statues of limitations! Some form of atonement has to take place to at minimum make things fair for everyone…That’s all anybody can ask for

By Whitey

July 24, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

If you are Black, can read & write, speak English clearly, are well-groomed, have a clean criminal record, & don’t have a first name that people can’t pronounce or spell, Corporate America has a job waiting for you !

By RC

July 24, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

So if the black people on this board do go out and open their own businesses, do you think they will go out and hire a white, asian, hispanic, native american, or someone of middle eastern descent? Hell NO! They will be the most racist of all. These are also the same people who would scream fould given the other way around. Talk about a no win situation. Always have an excuse…..

By yvette

July 24, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

Are white people really this delusional? I am a professional black woman with an advanced degree. My salary is pretty good but there are some (white directors) who fill that it’s a little too much. I have to prove myself everyday to show them that I am worthy of the money I make and should be paid more. It’s not enough for me to show up everyday, walk around drinking Starbucks or schedule tee times as my white co-workers do on a daily basis. I have to work hard for every paycheck I receive.

I would also like to know when did being black in the workplace (or black period) become a privilege? The adage, “last hired, first fired” still exist and most of the time we don’t have to be the last hired. I worked for a dot.com where non of my white male co-workers wives worked and when the inevitable layoffs were announced, Bill kept his job a little longer because he had a family at home. (WTH?)I’ve seen it time and again in my company where a young white college kid has been hired because of who they knew and certainly not what they knew over a more qualified person, usually black. What are you gonna do? We don’t own the companies and we certainly don’t make any of the decisions. The good ol’ boy network still exists; we have to play by their rules and trust me, the rules are constantly changing without our knowledge. You white people that are doing all of the work while your minority co-workers talk on their cell phones and just generally sit on their a**es not doing anything are obviously working for the wrong company. If life is so grand for minorities in the workplace, I’ve got some stage make-up and you become black anytime you want. Any takers? I didn’t think so!

By RC

July 24, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

I bet if you studied 100 “white” owned companies, and 100 “black” owned companies, the white owned companies would have a much more diverse employee base. Racism is rampant in the black community.

By Why?

July 24, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

Why is it that every time racism or race is brought up as a discussion, it’s taken by many as an opportunity to vent their anger at a particular race by promoting stereotypes and biased opinions about a group in general? No one in this blog has experience with every person of every race and for you to assume that a person behaves a certain way because of the color of their skin is WRONG. Sadly, there is a race problem in this country and I don’t see and end in sight because there are so many childish people who can’t even broach the subject without bringing immature emotions and ignorant assumptions.

By RC

July 24, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this

Police union officials Thursday accused the former second-ranking DeKalb County police commander of delaying promotions to hurt the careers of white officers.

Union officials released an audio recording purportedly containing the voice of former Assistant Chief R.P. Flemister asking someone: “Have you ever thought about why I ain’t promoted them nine on the list right now … because seven of them are white.”

By Lady Right

July 24, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

@cma - what part of Africa are you from, and did you find that there were racial biases there too? When did you come to America? Were you surprised that there were biases against women in the workplace in America? I can’t say I’m surprised that the Germans were pushing the envelope in their behavior. I don’t think Europeans are held to a very high standard of expectation on the job, since many of their societies are quite socialist and therefore not many are motivated to exceed the standards. How was the work environment in Africa compared to how it is here? I guess it would depend on which part of Africa you’re from, right? Much like here, I would guess.

By Reality Check

July 24, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

Companies are made up of individuals. Individuals bring their personal biases into the workplace. You cannot legislate personal bias.

I suggest to those of you (white, green, black, purple) that are having issues either fight it, accept it, or move on!

By FedUp

July 24, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

I see someone ELSE has stolen my name…again…Find your own, please.

By FedUp

July 24, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

If you are a “professional black woman”, what are you doing with black-face make-up?

By adrien

July 24, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this

One thought. It is 2006 and the only people that have been able to or ever will be able to understand racism in the workplace are minorities. I’m not sympathetic to whites because opportunity still reigns in their favor for the most part in this country. Sure, there are exceptions to every rule, but it is not an everyday occasion. Get real.

By Lola

July 24, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

adrien - once hispanics become the majority in this country, whites will be a “minority” so will we have your sympathies then?

By RC

July 24, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

Yo Adrien,

I’m not sympathetic to blacks because opportunity still reigns in their favor for the most part in this country.

By Th

July 24, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

I constantly experience racism, and from those that one would expect to be most sensitive to it. You see, I moonlight on weekends bartending a nightclub...I'm a highly competent white male with 15 years experience tending bar; and am in fact, the club's Head Bartender. I've never been a discipline problem at any club, have never been fired from a bar gig, and have a reputation as being upbeat, outgoing, and very humorous---I make sure everyone nearby has a great time. Easily 80% of the time that we host a party for a hip-hop night promoter or a Latino promoter---I am pulled off my shift (as are the other white males) as a stipulation to host the party. Managment has flat told me that even though I'm the elite bartender in the club; their hands are tied because these minority promoters specifically tell them that no white males are allowed to work the parties. Our white females are actually ASKED to work the parties by these same promoters, but many of the girls refuse and won't work them anymore due to the harrassment they experience. So, the club is short-staffed for most of these special events...which likewise angers the very promoters that don't want "whitey" to work! The absurdity is that managers tell me that these same promoters will THEN cry "racism" because we don't have the staff to serve their patrons!!! It's a no win situation. It really sucks because half of the club's staff are African-American, and they sympathize with me to the point of being embarrassed and ashamed. Moreover, I have to deal with the "chip on the shoulder" syndrome from many minority patrons on other nights; who take every perception as a slight. If they have to wait behind customers who arrived at the bar ahead of them to order drinks, often they'll get in a huff. Additionally, as it's house policy to obtain a credit card and drivers liscense to open a tab, I'm quite often called a "racist" (right to my face!)simply for asking for these forms of ID. I tend to just chalk it up to the crap one has to deal with when serving the public; but it is indicative that racial attitudes prevail from quarters that claim immunity from trangression. And that's absurd, because being a racist isn't a matter of skin color, it's a choice that an individual takes as an expression of hostility. So yeah, race is a problem...and all sides bear responsibility for their own character in the matter. Oh; another observation---delightful people, AND jerks come in all colors---believe me!

By renap

July 24, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

Not only is there discrimination with race, but also gender. Usually the people that think there is not a problem are white men! Sure, there’s no problem if you’re a white man. Then the sky is the limit. ;>)

By Morrigan

July 24, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

Sergent, whenever I ask how much is enough, I can never get an answer. Just more moaning about how good whites have it and how much injustice has been done to blacks.

Are 40, almost 50 years of social programs and cash not enough? What is fair? Why punish whites while not-so-sublety encouraging victimhood and perpetuating the accompanying anger and frustration? Do you secretly think that’s the best they’re capable of?

By StandingTall

July 24, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

@ Whitey,

“If you are Black, can read & write, speak English clearly, are well-groomed, have a clean criminal record, & don’t have a first name that people can’t pronounce or spell, Corporate America has a job waiting for you !”

So if you don’t happen to have a name that everyone can say easily then you’re counted out of the job market?

Congrats Whitey! You just validated that there is discrimination in the workplace.

By Vic

July 24, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

I’ve been to interviews where I was qualified for the position, and the interviewer gives me various scenarios to figure out. After I correctly complete the scenarios and they have nothing else to throw at me, they just don’t call me back, because they can do that.

By Shaquitta Jackson

July 24, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

Even here in Atlanta, the BLACK MECCA, there are too many White folks in powerful positions !

By Fine by me

July 24, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

To FedUp

Dude! Calm down. Didn’t realize this name was taken.

By NeedAJob

July 24, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

Can someone help me get a job?!

By Della

July 24, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

Attention black and white and any other color woman who is complaining about racist promotion policies! This is sooooooooo simple to overcome. Just buy a wonderbra, if needed, and unbutton a few buttons on your blouse. Works like a charm at the tightest shipping company. If you want to go into management, suxual favors are required.

By edna

July 25, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this

Discrimination is so subtle now but it certainly exists , no one can deny this especially if you are a minority. One can choose to ignore it, confront it head on, or become the best of the best in spite of it. It is unfortunate that here we are Black Americans and those from other countries may be treated better, offered more opportunities. I believe that we can overcome if we pull together and any Black person will admit that we do not as a rule support each other. How can we expect to eliminate biases if we do not develop our land , support a good family structure with marriage and children,promote education and business as priorities. We have a tendency to not see the forest for the trees so to speak. Listening to people like Michelle Singletery of the Washington Post could help many of us realize that racism may not be our biggest problem.

By mr tropical

July 25, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

I have just moved to Atlanta from London because I think there will be more opportunity to progress jobwise.Most of the comments that I have read are interesting but no-one can escape the following reality :

1)Generally an office enviroment a black woman can get ahead quicker than a black man if the boss/supervisor is a white man.If the boss/supervisor is a woman (any colour) then a black man has more chance(sexuality innit)

2)More and more progressive black men are slowly but surely setting up their own businesses to escape workplace politics.

3)I believe that if a firm boss does not like blacks/hispanics/whites then they should be upfront about it and not hire them.

4)There are good whites/blacks and bad whites/blacks all over the place.Basically we are all fighting (literally) for a slice of the economic pie…simple as that.

5)I am in the process of setting up a small business and I will be hiring people based on their ability not skin colour.Ideally I would love a mix of different progressive types who can work hard with a sense of humour.

Nuff respect to all Atlanta people.

By Mosi

July 26, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Thanks to all the folks that set the record streight regarding Blacks getting over and being loud and lazy. Whites! you are not being discriminated against. If any minority gives you hell its in response to racism. Blacks neither have the power or intent to be racist, any feedback to you is a response.I am an mSW level counselor and social work/sociologist…you white folks have done a fine job destroying the world!

By Jenny

July 26, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

I first would like to say that the article in itself was rather average. However it did attempt to open up discussion about discrimination in the work place. So, I can’t fault you for that.

It seems to me the point everyone is missing is that discrimination is not just black or white…it concerns women, gays and lesbians, disabled, and many more!

In my opinion the civil rights act in the 60’s benefited white women more so than any other “group”. Affirmative action is not discrimination, it’s an opportunity to give someone a chance who most likely would never have that opportunity. I’d say to those who are angered about a.a. try being black for a day and see how you like it. A black “minority” with several higher degrees is regularly passed up for an uneducated white male or female. I have seen it first hand over and over.

In response to the post about Senator McKinney, if she was a white person she wouldn’t have been fired, the issue would have been swept under the table. Am I taking up for her, absolutely not. I am not impressed in the least bit by her character or representation. Nevertheless, that is a prime example of the very fact that a black person must be twice as professional, intelligent, and educated as another individual in order to gain an ounce of respect or appropriate wages.

In response to the post about minorities being fired and rehired- I think they are afraid of being sued. However, they would not have to worry about that as a company if they take the proper preventative procedures when firing an employee.

If you are fired up about what I’ve written, congratulations. I advise you to take a careful, long look at yourself whether you are an employer or employee. Be proactive and create a work environment that is beneficial for all!

By Red

July 27, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

RC: Ignorance must be bliss.

Here it is. Racism exist in the workplace because racism exists in America. Whether the recipient is black, white, brown, whatever the color, it exist and its wrong. How do you right a wrong? First, admit that an injustice has occurred. IT HAPPENED, SAY IT HAPPENED, AND MOVE ON. But there’s one thing about righting a wrong. You can’t do it over and over again. We’re supposed to learn from our mistakes. (Otherwise we’re doomed to repeat them…you know the adage.)The problem is some people don’t want to see it. They just won’t to sweep it under the rug. Racism is a cancer and it spreads easily. All it takes is one person’s ignorance in the workplace and in order to have a friend at work we go along with the ignorance. Two dumb@sses are better than one. We accept stereotypes and biases because its easy and we don’t have to work to get to know other peoples. Why do that when we can group them all into one category and be done with it. You know, other countries call us lazy, burger consuming Americans. I’m not saying its true but this is how they see us. (I don’t even eat meat.) So the next time when you’re watching your co worker not working, when you yourself supposed to be working, think about taking the time to actually getting to know them and then maybe you can make an accurate comparison. Do I think that racism will ever disappear in the workplace? Yes! When Al Quaida gets thru with our @sses there won’t be any buildings, to have jobs, to employ all the ignorant people or anyone else for that matter. And I guarantee, they don’t care what color you are…as long as you’re an American! Think about it… someone hating you for something you can’t control. Kinda ironic:) Anyway, enjoy your smoke breaks while you can:)

By Take a closer look

July 27, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

I live in a mid-sized city whose labor force relies heavily on government sector jobs. Although there are clear guidelines that forbid discrimination based on race, gender, sexual orientation or marital status etc. It is clear that the institutionalization of racism has hit a point where it is almost impossible to enforce the policies set-up to ensure equal access. Since the topic of conversation is race I hope to shed light on some of the issues that I believe the author of the article was referring to.
Our city is 55 percent White and 37 percent Black. The department that I work in has a total of 80 office employees. Of the total number of employees, 8 are top managers. Of the 8 managers, only 1 is Black, the other 7 are White. The Black manager has a Masters degree and certification in his field. 3 White managers have Graduate degrees, 2 have undergraduate degrees and 2 have only a GED. Please note that this is progress in our department!
Historically, there have been no Black managers and NONE of the White managers (with the exception of the attorney) have ever earned an undergraduate degree they have only had GED’s with the occasional Associates degree. Within the subordinate ranks Every single Black office employee (6 in total) have four-year degrees and 1 has a Masters degree. The number of Masters degrees among Blacks would be higher however, over the course of layoffs, the “last hired first hired rule” (that Black folks have come to grips with working in America) applied to 4 Black employees and all 4 had Masters degrees! With the remaining group, approximately 4 Whites have Masters degrees 3 have undergraduate degrees and the rest have only attained a GED.

It is difficult to change the culture of a place of employment when politics and patronage are a factor. Many of the positions are appointed by the management. These managers typically hire friends and family to fill positions. The only way that many Blacks were hired was because Federal Officials forced such changes. Even then the bar for qualifications was raised to make it difficult to find a qualified Black applicant in order to keep the status quo. To make things worse, when layoffs occurred who do you think the White management picked to lay-off? You guessed it! The Black so-called “quota” employees. Oh yeah and by the way, most of the White GED employees make much more than the 1 Black subordinate employee with the Masters degree. I would beg every reader to take a look at what they see as “progress in the workplace.”